tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post9104794443870936067..comments2023-07-02T08:52:28.676-07:00Comments on New Christendom: When a person is not satisfied with Christ...David Meyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06181838722750428356noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-89198513651447724382010-11-07T10:44:05.417-08:002010-11-07T10:44:05.417-08:00Great points, especially Bryan's response; I l...Great points, especially Bryan's response; I love the short, direct, and to-the-point... that's even better than what I had in mind, which is, in response to "Christ is the head of the Church," to say, "okay *what* Church?" First of all, it's something that would have to qualify as *a* Church, at the very least. And what do Protestants have that could with any warrant be called even that (except that they have to *simply because* because the word "Church" is in the NT, so *something* has to correspond to it). Then via Socratic dialogue you could get all the way to the original point, which is *exactly* what the office of Pope is *for* - without the (Roman) Catholic church, there's no (one, holy, catholic, and apostolic) Church.micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031457169948735603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-61770511012623421012010-11-02T14:42:14.081-07:002010-11-02T14:42:14.081-07:00This is why discussions focused on interpretations...This is why discussions focused on interpretations of Scripture are basically putting the cart before the horse. We first need to know HOW to interpret scripture. I know for an absolute fact that I don't have the authority to be definitve about my own interpretation. That means either someone else does other than myself, or noone does. If I do have authority, how? If someone else has authority, who? And, how do I find them? If noone has authority, what happened to it after the time of the Apostles and how do we know what the truth is? If we can't know what the truth is, how do we know Christ who is Truth?Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04653644792930523119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-81939758010844643832010-11-02T12:32:31.937-07:002010-11-02T12:32:31.937-07:00David,
Thank you for articulating so well one of ...David,<br /><br />Thank you for articulating so well one of the major things that drove me from Protestantism back to the Church after spending my entire adult life as a Protestant of several stripes. Everytime I upgraded to a more "biblical" denomination, as I did a few times over the years, I kept suppressing the nagging thought I was being my own little pope. At some point every Protestant on the journey towards a more biblical/historic Christianity must, or at least should, struggle with this. It is the only intellectually honest thing to do. You can only kid yourself for so long before the house of cards starts to crumble.David Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-89454009287435996462010-11-02T04:22:56.650-07:002010-11-02T04:22:56.650-07:00Thanks for the great comments. It is so frustratin...Thanks for the great comments. It is so frustrating to hear him say: “Christ is the only head of our church.” Because the elephant in the living room is this: Christ is not here to be consulted by him! (he is in the Eucharist, yes, but you know what I mean. And TFan would certainly not consult Him in the Eucharist anyway) When TFan says Christ is the head, he WILL have a human interprative authority who identifies AND interprets revelation. It is just that simple.David Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181838722750428356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-44422368945167700992010-11-01T20:15:37.195-07:002010-11-01T20:15:37.195-07:00From my very limited exposure to these types of di...From my very limited exposure to these types of dialogues, there comes a point when some people seem to just decide to "stick to their guns" regardless of the strength of their position. This person does not have to agree with you, but the attempt at taking the high ground by claiming not submit to any authority other than Christ is not very convincing to me. Either someone else here on Earth is your authority, or you are your own authority. I have no idea how someone can deny this. If this was not the case, there would be no need for any teachers in the Church.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04653644792930523119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-25020141956952942082010-11-01T12:58:27.163-07:002010-11-01T12:58:27.163-07:00I remember how clever I felt when as a Protestant ...I remember how clever I felt when as a Protestant I said I wasn't interested in any religious system that stood or fell on the basis of a man instead of on Jesus. No pope or Calvin or Luther for me! Kinda funny how my insistence that a religious system be based on Jesus' power and trustworthiness landed me in the Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-30371886112784405862010-11-01T09:18:35.842-07:002010-11-01T09:18:35.842-07:00David,
Given TF's reasoning, then by his havi...David,<br /><br />Given TF's reasoning, then by his having a pastor, he is thereby showing his dissatisfaction with Christ. <br /><br />If he were to be consistent here, he would give up all pretenses of Church authority, and take the Plymouth Brethren sort of approach.<br /><br />In the peace of Christ,<br /><br />- BryanBryan Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13269970389157868131noreply@blogger.com