tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post8420190905433428117..comments2023-07-02T08:52:28.676-07:00Comments on New Christendom: Reason # 528 the Catholic Church is a miracle: ContraceptionDavid Meyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06181838722750428356noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-58279547939314411012012-01-18T06:37:16.530-08:002012-01-18T06:37:16.530-08:00"The notion of "conservative Protestant&..."The notion of "conservative Protestant" is somewhat an oxymoron..."<br /><br />Luckily the phrase itself has an internal timebomb of "oxymoron" by having the word "protest" in it. And anyone even remotely familiar with Protestant history should know that todays "conservative" protestant is tomorows... protesting liberal one.David Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181838722750428356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-38059565352006735052012-01-18T00:29:08.443-08:002012-01-18T00:29:08.443-08:00I like the term "miracle" in your title,...I like the term "miracle" in your title, for this truly is a miracle. How can it be every branch of Christianity caved into contraception (and divorce) and yet the Church has stood firm - even in the midst of internal rebellion? <br /><br />This is no mere work of men - this is the hand of God writing on the wall. <br /><br />It's times like this I stand in awe of the Old Testament histories that speak of times the whole Israelite Nation was living in sin - wondering how such was possible and how God could allow it - and here we are in real life witnessing a massive apostasy of our own. <br /><br />The notion of "conservative Protestant" is somewhat an oxymoron, since there is no "conserving" to be done. They can literally do a 180 on a whim, and if they allow divorce and contraception, they leave little principled basis to oppose homosexuality or abortion.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-33157063198503908612012-01-13T14:53:25.020-08:002012-01-13T14:53:25.020-08:00I'm posting a quote from an orthodox forum. F...I'm posting a quote from an orthodox forum. For the record, I'm not necessarily against the Catholic position - just pointing out that the position isn't quite as consistent as you make it out to be. You can find the source here (the whole thread is interesting. Also, for the record, I'm not trying to stir your pot - I just think a little history lesson might be worth having:<br />http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28966.msg457934.html#msg457934<br /><br /><br /><br />"St. Augustine (AD 354-430) said, "There cannot yet be said to be a live soul in a body that lacks sensation", and held that abortion required penance only for the sexual aspect of the sin.<br />He and other early Christian theologians believed, as had Aristotle centuries before, that "animation", or the coming alive of the fetus, occurred forty days after conception for a boy and eighty days after conception for a girl. The conclusion that early abortion is not homicide is contained in the first authoritative collection of canon law accepted by the [Catholic] church in 1140. As this collection was used as an instruction manual for priests until the new Code of Canon Law of 1917, its view of abortion has had great influence.<br />At the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent III wrote that "quickening" "the time when a woman first feels the fetus move within her" was the moment at which abortion became homicide; prior to quickening, abortion was a less serious sin.<br />Pope Gregory XIV agreed, designating quickening as occurring after a period of 116 days (about 17 weeks). His declaration in 1591 that early abortion was not grounds for excommunication continued to be the abortion policy of the Catholic Church until 1869.<br />The tolerant approach to abortion which had prevailed in the Roman Catholic Church for centuries ended at the end of the nineteenth century. In 1869, Pope Pius IX officially eliminated the Catholic distinction between an animated and a nonanimated fetus and required excommunication for abortions at any stage of pregnancy."RMBIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18119704720010975657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-50003910020176114872012-01-12T16:38:22.112-08:002012-01-12T16:38:22.112-08:00Laugh all you want, it reminds me of the same atti...Laugh all you want, it reminds me of the same attitude that laughs at the blasphemous "life of Brian" by Monty Python. It is laughing and mocking the truth.<br /><br /> I agree with the song 100%, and every saint from Moses to Augustine and all the way to Christians in the mid 20th century agrees as well. (The Reformers went balistic against contraception)<br />The unanimous consent of Christendom for 1900 years, without exception, was that contraception is a grave evil. So I think I am in good company.<br /><br />And they felt that way even about the "withdrawl" method (Onanism), they had MUCH harsher things to say about women taking drugs to kill thir children, which is what abortifacients do! <br /><br />Teenage boys tossing off is one thing, but when they grow up and expect a woman to degrade herself and a baby to die in order to acomplish their pleasure, this trulty has crossed the line to the rarest form of evil right up there with abortion.<br /><br />So laugh it up fuzball. (-Han Solo)David Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181838722750428356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5712729947700372149.post-17958545665908261052012-01-12T09:50:17.600-08:002012-01-12T09:50:17.600-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
That i...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8<br /><br />That is all.RMBIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18119704720010975657noreply@blogger.com